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Latest Update: 2 September 2010

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Pregunta 634 - 2 September 2010

My great great great grandparents were Francisco Ramon Villar [or Villa, Billar, de Villar, etc], and Susana Banegas [or Benegas, Venegas, etc.], living in the Presidio de San Diego, California, circa 1820s to early 1840s and possibly more. I do not have their vitals but assume they were born between 1790 to 1810 in Nueva España (New Spain, Colonial México), most likely .... Alta California, Baja California or Mexico. My great great great grandfather, Francisco Villar, came to San Diego as a Soldado de Artilleria [Artillery Soldier] of the Mexican 6th Battalion, arriving with José María Echeandía and Agustín Vicente Zamorano. Family lore states my my great great great grandfather, Francisco Villar, also acted as Comandante or Subcomandante de San Diego mid 1835 to early 1840s. Francisco and Susana's daughter, María Bernarda Lugarda Villar, (1834-1899) was my great great grandmother and the wife of my great great grandfather, George Lyons, (1823-1908), pioneers of San Diego. Any other information on my family would be most welcome. [Donna Lyons aka Donna de Villar (nonmember), Orange County, Calif.]

Pregunta 633 - 2 September 2010

I am looking for information re my grandmother's, Angelina Margarite Chavez, mother. All I have is a copy of her marriage license which states her mother's name was Rose Taylor of Ohio. I have searched the county records as well as the ECPP at Huntington to no avail. My grandmother's father was Miguel "Mike" Presentacion Chavez, son of Bersabe Machado (daughter of Ygnacio) and Presentacion de la Luz Chavez, son of Julian Antonio Chavez and Maria Dorotea Romero. Julian came from Taos with his brother, Mariano. Julian stayed, became involved with Pueblo politics, serving in many capacities, acquiring land, e.g., Chavez Ravine. Does anyone know of any other source I might find some information on? I don't know if Rose Taylor was a maiden name or a second marriage. Thank you, [Susan Margarite Worthen (nonmember), Hidden Valley Lake, Calif.]

There is a cloud of mystery around my grandmother's (Angelina Margarite Chavez) parentage, and I hope you can help. According to family and her recorded marriage license, her father is Miguel (Mike) Presentacion Chavez, son of Jose Presentacion de la Luz Chavez and Bersabe/Versabe Machado, son of Julian Antonio Chavez and Dorotea Romero. That we know. But her mother's name on the license is "Rose Taylor, of Ohio". There was a "rumor" that she was really "Rosa Ruiz" ... but can't seem to find any trail of either one. Angelina was born in December 1900 and married Louis Anthony Worthen, son of Harry Stoughton Worthen and Refugio Berryessa, in 1922. Anyone out there know anything about these people? Thank you for any help, [Jo Ann Merrill (nonmember), Hidden Valley Lake, Calif.]

Pregunta 632 - 2 September 2010

I am curious about Maria Antonio Redondo who is my 4-great grandmother. Would anyone know if she is the sister of Maria Candelaria Redondo? I can't seem to find any information on either of their parents, but I do remember seeing the name Limon in my family tree at one time. Thanks in advance for any help that you may give me. [Sherry Moser (nonmember), Las Vegas, Nev.]

Pregunta 631 - 2 September 2010

I've learned I am a descendant of Juan de la Maria Osuna, my 5th great uncle; his father, Juan Ismerio Osuna, my 6th. I do know that my great grandfather's mother was Eleanor Marron ( born 1871; also known as Leonor Marron), who married John Durant. My grandfather spent his early years with her until she died about 1922, I believe, when he was about 8 years old. However, in my research, online, historical records/books and family input, I cannot locate who her siblings in fact are, or her parents. I believe it's the Silvestre Marron line, but no matter where I look or stumble upon, I cannot find a listing of 'all' the children of whichever Marron I'm reviewing. My thinking is that since my grandfather knew Ramon or Raymond (as he was often called) as his uncle (actually he was his great uncle and the last of the Silver Dons 1 Oct 1882 - 25 Jul 1973), this makes Ramon Osuna my 3rd great uncle. I last saw him on his ranch in either '71 or '72 when I was 7 years old. It had to be that Ramon was a son of one of Eleanor Marron's sisters that married an Osuna. Thus, making Ramon, her nephew. Any help or direction would be appreciated. As at this rate, I know more about surrounding branches that I'm likely not linked to.

My great great grandmother had a horse and carriage in which she and my grandfather used to ride around San Diego. Here's something else: There was a man that was super kind to my grandfather (as a young boy) and left him a horse named Johnny Brown ... when my grandfather, 8,9,10 (1922, 1923 or 1924) or so went to get the horse, the man's son refused to provide Johnny Brown's saddle, blanket, reins and general tack, but he did give him Johnny Brown. My mother believes the man that owned JB was likely an uncle or brother of Leonor/Eleanor Marron-Durant. If anyone could remember whom it was that owned a horse named Johnny Brown ... I might be able to move ahead with that name. I know, it's a long shot, but one of the older folks just might say, "Hey, I remember, or heard of, so and so owning a horse named JB. That man, whomever he was LOVED that horse, and wanted to give him to one that also loved JB as much; namely my grandfather, Melvin J. Durant. Is there anywhere that lists "ALL" the children of Sylvestre and Leonora Marron? [Lisa Marie Durant-Cross (member), Palm Springs, Calif.]

Respuesta a Pregunta 631 - 2 September 2010

Leonor Marron, baptized 7 Mar 1870 at San Luis Rey (recorded in San Juan Capistrano book) was born 15 Mar 1869. She was an hija natural (illegitimate daughter) of Juan Maria Marron and Maria Ramona Osuna. Her madrina was Francisca Marron de Osuna. I am not sure which of the many Juan Maria Marrons this refers to--possibly Silvestre's oldest son, Juan Maria Matias Marron (born 1851).

I have three husbands listed for Leonor, including Jean Durant with a child Maria de la Luz Eliza Durant (born 13 Mar 1897). Probably there were others. I have these marriages for Leonor: 18 Oct 1888 Jose de los Santos Chico in San Diego; 19 Jun 1898 Jean Durant in San Diego; and 17 Sep 1907 Concepcion Molina in San Diego.

Leonor's mother, Ramona Osuna, is listed in the 1860 census as an Indian living with Francisca Marron de Osuna. I believe that her father was Leandro Osuna and his wife Francisca adopted her. Leandro died 1859 (suicide). Francisca was Silvestre Marron's slightly older sister. Silvestre's first wife was also a Leonora.

Ramon N. Osuna (1882-1973) was the son of Julio Osuna and Josefa Crosthwaite. Julio, in turn, was the son of Leandro Osuna and Francisca Marron. Thus Julio (born circa 1848) and Ramona (born 1851) were probably raised as siblings. Ramona was born at San Dieguito in January 1851. I have Ramona buried at Mission Hills Cemetery 9 May 1894. [Ellen Sweet (member), La Jolla, Calif.]

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